Thank You

Ancient Languages Support

A thank you to all that signed our petition for saving Greek & Latin at 成人大片. Find out why they signed below!

Katherine P.       Kingston, Canada

"I am very passionate about both learning and teaching Greek and Latin. Knowledge of these languages is also extremely important for budding Classical scholars and society in general."

Keith A.                                Burlington, Canada         

"These languages form the basis of most science terms and many languages. These are important foundations for any student."

Samantha B.      Canada

"I came to Queen's specifically because of their highly regarded Latin education. These languages have been part of our legacy for 181 years, and it would be a devastating blow to our identity as a university and as a department to lose these languages. They are a key facet to so many disciplines and hold incredible value. This university will lose a great deal of appeal without these amazing courses."

Anne B.                 Kingston, Canada            

"Greek and Latin are crucial parts of classics, and I don鈥檛 understand how anyone would think they aren鈥檛 vital for  research in this field. Some of my friends specifically came to queens because of the language courses offered, as well as the small class sizes that were advertised. Now it seems that the small class sizes have been vilified, with the cost of the courses. It isn鈥檛 fair. I want my friends and I to be able to finish our classics degrees in peace."

Ren茅e K.              Ch芒tenay-malabry, France          

"Ce sont des enseignements parmi les plus solides et les plus formateurs qui sont menac茅s! 20 si猫cles d'histoire oubli茅s... alors m锚me que les progr猫s n'ont jamais aussi spectaculaires que depuis quelques d茅cennies..."

Robert P.             Oxford, UK         

"Professor Lehoux is spot on!  The world will be watching to see whether Queen's engages in this act of cultural vandalism and self-harm."

Edward H.           Athens, Greece

"This petition is very important for maintaining the excellence of education at 成人大片."

E Atteck               Burlington, Canada         

"I'd like to see and hear Queen's management to explain why they are cutting these course."

Katherine L.        Kingston              Canada

                "Katherine C Leverette!"

Melissa F.            Winnipeg, Canada

"This is one of the first departments in Canada that trained women in Classics at the university level. Do not destroy the legacy of generations in a short-sighted move!"

David W.             Edmonton, Canada         

"Latin and Greek is important"

Kayla B.                                Kingston, Canada            

"Ancient languages are critical to interpreting and studying classical civilizations! (Also, as a student taking Latin, I would obviously like to finish learning the language in its entirety)"

Marion M.          Vienna, Austria

"There is no justification whatsoever for closing down a department after 182 years of successful teaching and studying"

Dominik W.        Edmonton, Canada         

"As a professor, study and teach Sanskrit and we suffer from the same student cap issue that makes rare subjects unsustainable.  The tragedy is that the intellectual life of our universities is controlled by audit culture and not by academic or intellectual commitments to subjects that are critical for understanding the formation of human culture."

Geoffrey G.        Ottawa, Canada

"Queen's department is a vital part of the teaching of Classics in Ontario and has a very distinguished tradition; it remains remarkably active and popular."

Willi B.                 Edmonton, Canada         

"Learning languages is foundational for thought and many disciplines."

Josh G.                 Whitby, Canada

                "We need to fight back against the 鈥渄ead language鈥 memes"

Julianna W.        Halifax, Canada

"Classics is the foundation of higher ed."

Jennifer E.           Austin, US          

"Classics is an essential part of a strong tertiary education."

Emmanuel V.     Thessaloniki, Greece

"Greek and Latin are essential for understanding the cultures of Antiquity. Language skills in general are an essential part of scholarly training. Cancelling the teaching of Greek and Latin will be highly detrimental."

Lene R.                 Surrey, UK          

"成人大片 promotes itself thus: 'We stand on a strong history of scholarship, discovery, and innovation.' This places an obligation on those who are appointed as caretakers (a.k.a. managers) of the institution and preserve its values also for future generations of students and scholars. Innovative research in the field of Classics can be achieved, only if those who research it can access texts (literature, papyri, inscriptions) in the original language. Languages are an intrinsic part of the cultures that we seek to understand. It beggars belief that the managers of a Canadian institution would be oblivious to this..."

Samuel B.            Kingston, Canada            

"Greek and Latin remain essential to Classics Research and are integral to the identity of any Classics department."

Raymond E.        Netherlands      

"Classics and the Humanities matter!"

Stephen H.         Nottingham, UK

"Maintaining the teaching of Greek and Latin is an essential mark of a top-level university, a mark that continues today to attract high-quality students and faculty. The Dept of Classics and Archaeology is fiscally self-sustaining and shouldn't be made to pay the price for budget shortfalls elsewhere in the University."

Massimo N.        Italy      

"It is enough to quote: "After 182 years of continuous study鈥攖he longest tenure of any courses on the Queen's campus鈥攖hese vital and vibrant cultural languages will be cancelled because someone has been unable to balance their budget (not us: the Department of Classics and Archaeology has always been fiscally responsible and usually produces a surplus)...""

Professor Eleanor D.       Oxford, UK         

"The study of Greek and Latin is of critical importance to understanding our own language and our culture, as well as being an excellent training in skills that young people need and want. Queens does a great job at teaching these languages. Please keep this tradition going!"

Erika G.                 Montauban, France       

"Small-group teaching is a core part of a good humanities education, and learning specialized technical skills is essential for maintaining the field鈥攅nrollment numbers do not reflect value"

Susan T.               Oxford, UK         

"Queen's has always been a beacon for its Classics Department. Undergraduates must be allowed the opportunity to study Greek and Latin."

Gunnel E.            Stockholm, Sweden       

"These are important disciplines which should be part of the curriculum of any major academic institution."

Christer H.          Uppsala                , Sweden

"Greek and Latin are the mother tongues of Wester culture and history. The day we decide that we no longer have to be able to communicate with our history, we are on a very dangerous path."

Lutz M.                 Gro脽burgwedel, Germany          

"I am so glad that my university gave me the opportunity to learn Latin. Not having had Latin at school, I feel competent to judge that already some basic knowledge of Latin enriches the understanding of French, English, and even German. And, of course, much more serious literature becomes accessible than without. I am seriously considering learning Greek after retirement."

Keziah A.             Schuylerville, US              

"Latin and Greek instruction and education are important. The ideas in these works are the heritage of many people and should not be relegated to dusty shelves but ought to be cherished and maintained."

Matthew H.       Thunder Bay, Canada    

"I have the highest regard for the Classics Dept at Queens, whose faculty and students have shown themselves to be of the 成人大片 caliber whenever I have dealt with them. Also, cutting Classics is removing the soul from the University."

Janice L.               Sudbury, Canada             

"They did this to us at Laurentian and look how horribly that turned out!"

Drumlin C.          Kingston, Canada            

"As a Queen鈥檚 graduate student in the department of English Literature & Creative Writing, I believe that our world is a richer place when we study the humanities. Greek and Latin have useful applications across disciplines, from providing insight into literary and historical documents to contributing to the taxonomy of living things on our planet. I stand in solidarity with the Classics department, and stand against the minimum class requirement, which disproportionately impacts this long-standing program."

Anthony K.         Kingston, Canada            

"I feel that this type of decision indicates that the current management team of Queen's has comprehensively lost sight of what the role and mission of a university should be. They need to wake up and address their own fiscal mismanagement rather than take undermine the humanities."

Rahul K.               Kingston, Canada            

"Queen's is a university, not a technical college. We must continue to teach Greek and Latin."

Virginia C.           Amherst, US      

"Ancient Greek and Latin are key components of any serious humanities program. Students of history and philosophy should have the opportunity to learn what Plato, Thucydides, Seneca, Tacitus, and so many others wrote for themselves, rather than relying on translation. Additionally, many epigraphic texts of interest to historians and archaeologists have never been translated, so anyone who wants to study them needs to know the language. More obviously, students of literature who want to read Homer, Sophocles, Vergil, and Ovid, let alone the New Testament or the many medieval and renaissance texts written in Latin, should have the ability to do so in the original. All language study enhances critical thinking and communication skills, as well as creativity; ancient languages offer, on top of these advantages, access to brilliant and irreplaceable knowledge and understanding that have stood the test of millennia. To deny your students access to this learning is shortsighted and cruel."

Peter T.                Calgary, Canada

"Peter Toohey"

Bernard K.           Kingston, Canada            

"Thank  you for your support, Susan.  Best wishes from Bernie"

Jill B.      Kingston, Canada            

"Courses of study are not fads, favourites, or flavours of the month. Let learning -- of all kinds -- endure. We need to hold the Deans and the Provost and the Principal (in absentia?) accountable for the mismanagement of  finances. Classics and Archaeology did *not* cause the budget crisis at Queen's -- the Admin did. Why should this small but robust department be forced to pay dearly for it? This is absurd and unjust on every level, and makes me fear for humankind."

Anelie H.             Stouffville, Canada         

"I鈥檓 a classics student and need these courses"

Simon C.                              Canada

                "It鈥檚 a dope course that should be available"

Bascaron B.        Montr茅al, Canada           

"Je consid猫re la culture ancienne comme un pav茅 pour la culture moderne"

Marilyn C.                           Utopia, Canada

"Queen鈥檚 needs to preserve its history as a preferred school for the study of classics. It can do this by continuing to offer the courses it has in the past."

Tiara R.                 Guelph, Canada

"The languages are crucial to our studies, and they need to be maintained!!"

Claire B.               Avignon, PACA, France 

"It would be a cultural and scientific disaster if a College like Queen's College will close Greek and Latin courses. Department of Classics and Archaeology are important in the definition of identity and history of a country."

Sheila F.               Toronto, Canada              

"An education in classics is basic to an understanding of our language and our ability to communicate."

Lisa C.                   Nanaimo, Canada            

"Knowledge is a valuable pursuit for humanity, not just $"

Heidi L-M.                           Madison, US      

"As a linguist, I appreciate the nuances that knowledge of languages brings to our understanding of our past and appreciation of history."

Jennifer M.         Burlington, Canada         

"The world is in greater need than ever of understanding what has come before in the history of humanity. All subjects are important"

Sharon M.           Cornwall, Canada            

"I give a damn, and have four grandchildren heading to Queens."

Sam E.                   Kingston, Canada            

"I care about quality education!"

Helen M.             Chilliwack, Canada          

"Who will be able to translate ancient manuscripts or question the veracity of translations if Greek and Latin courses are dropped?  At the same times we are trying to reinstate the older Indigenous languages, why would anyone even consider dropping classes in Greek and Latin?"

Roberto O.          Rio de Janeiro, RJ             Brazil    

"I am a Brazilian prof of Mathematics and I can tell you that life without the classics is a life less rich, less interesting, where we're left to navigate the world with no access to age-old wisdom. Not everybody likes the classics, but some of the best people in this world (from Dante to MLK) were pretty fond of them."

Leofranc H-S.     Oxford  UK         

"There is no justification for the closure."

Janet M.              Glasgow, UK      

"Those who do not see the value of education for its own sake are blind. Don't commodify knowledge."

Stephen L.                           Australia             

"Greek and Latin are, and always will be, foundations of our history and culture, and only mastery of them provides genuine access to numerous sources of that history and culture, not only from Classical Antiquity but also throughout the Middle Ages, the Renaissance, and into the early modern period, which is an historical period spanning more than 2,000 years - essentially the entirety of so-called "western civilisation". And more, if we also include both the developments of modern scholarship in relation to those languages and their documents and archaeological sources and how knowledge of this history and culture through their original languages (which simply cannot be conveyed or understood in the same way through translations, no matter how good - and somebody still needs to be educated in those languages in order to provide such translations, otherwise not even translations will continue to be made) has continued to influence us even to the present. Denying students and the public such education is a denial of their own history and cultural identity, and that would be unforgivable. On the other hand, it should be asked whether whatever it is assumed would be gained by ending such education opportunities is really a "gain" and a benefit or an advantage at all? Is it? To whom? And what, exactly? This is nothing more than another cost-cutting exercise and a refusal to invest in our own society."

Mairi C.                 Toronto, Canada              

"I am a history professor at the University of Toronto, and I am appalled by short-sighted and mean move to cut the teaching of languages at Queen's. As a first-generation university student, I benefited greatly from the opportunity to study ancient languages from introductory to advanced levels in an undergraduate program. If this opportunity is denied to future Queen's students because of budgetary problems not of their making, not only will their education be diminished, but so will the fields of knowledge to which they would otherwise be able to contribute."

Matt R.                 Kingston, Canada            

"The Provost is causing Queen's to shoot itself in both feet."

Yves R.                  L茅vis, Canada    

"Culture is much much more important than economy."

Amanda D.          Niagara on the Lake, Canada      

"Fundamentals of an arts/classics education"

Kathleen M-J.    Pineville, US      

"Abolishing Classics because the admin is trying to run a university like a Macy's is the height of late-stage capitalism, and it must not happen."

Romy M.              Montreal, Canada

"The value and beauty of learning Latin and Ancient Greek are unfortunately so underestimated. Classics are an amazing field of study and research but they cannot survive if their most fundamental elements, the ancient languages, are no longer taught! Classics deserve to have a future and to continue to fascinate people for many generations. Whether in funds or in academic positions, cuts like this are increasingly common and pose a considerable threat to the discipline."

Laurie A.              Edmonton, Canada         

"The corporate managers of universities are cutting out the hearts of these institutions. Small humanities classes are offered at a relatively small cost but provide a great societal good. It is not the courses that should be cut, but the tiers of high-paid administrators who have usurped the roles of faculty."

Robert S.             Victoria, Canada              

"If universities are reduced to churning out employable drones, who then will be able to stand up for reason and democracy at a time when populism and fascism are bent on wiping out gains made over centuries?"

Reem S.                                Egypt    

"It鈥檚 not fair"

Arthur H.             US         

"These studies are the foundation of the goal and identity of the university."

Don S.                   Chicago, US       

"The Classics Dept pulls its weight! Latin and Greek has been a cornerstone of the university since its founding!"

Giuseppe C.       Maryville, US     

"I am a strong believer in the benefits of a classical education"

Hannah S.           Toronto, Canada              

"While few students major in Classics and archaeology, courses on Greek myth, Roman history, and the ancient world more broadly attract a lot of students who deserve the opportunity to learn about these topics, even if it's only a handful of electives. From an admin perspective, liberal arts programs are inexpensive to run and a great return on investment. Attacking these programs despite the fact that they run at a surplus is either ideologically-motivated or sheer bad management."

Marco V.                             Switzerland       

"When you choose to cut and close departments of classics you deliberately choose to deprive students and future generations of the basic tools to critically understand the continuous dialogue with Greco-Roman Antiquity which shaped, for good and for bad, modern cultural heritage."

Jan W.                  Brampton, Canada          

"I was fortunate to have studied Latin in high school.  Knowledge of Latin and Greek are invaluable for the appreciation and comprehension of modern languages, medicine, law, science, technology, theology as well as Classics."

Bernd S.               London, Canada               

"The Classics Department at 成人大片 is doing a fantastic job. Knowledge of Ancient Greek and Latin are an essential element of the discipline. Depriving enthusiastic undergraduate students of access to these important languages is unfair and would be a major blow to our discipline. At Western University, we regularly get permission to offer intermediate Greek and Latin courses for less than 10 students, because our administration recognizes the fundamental value of this language training for success in our discipline."

Marcello M.       Columbia, US    

"Please reconsider this unjustified decision and support the world-class teaching and research that is being done by the Department of Classics and Archaeology at Queen鈥檚."

Robert C.             Victoria, Canada

                "Classical education is a must have and must be provided. period."

Maria M.             Cortona Ar, Italy              

"Si deve salvare il Department of Classics and Archaeology a Queen's"

Samopriya B.     Carrboro, US     

"I am a mathematical statistician at Simon Fraser University, BC, who also works in historical linguistics, and the field owes much of its internal developments and the insight it yields to questions of history and anthropology to a sound understanding of Classical languages of antiquity like Latin, Ancient Greek, Sanskrit, Hittite, Akkadian, Old Chinese et al. Queen鈥檚 University and the Canadian research and educational ecosystem as a whole will be poorer if subjects such as the Classics that do not boast a large population of takers but do attract small crowds of highly motivated students are not offered to those who want to be educated in them. Furthermore, the lack of access to such fields will most affect poorer students who are reliant on the university system, while their rich counterparts are better equipped to acquire the same resources from other, more expensive, sources such as private tutors."

Michael H.          Dollard-des-ormeaux, Canada   

"I earned an MA in the Dept. of Classics in 2002. The great and indomitable Caroline Falkner was my supervisor. But all the professors were of the highest order. This dept. has only grown since I was there...graduating scholars to go on not just to academic careers but those in law and finance and arts. I am deeply upset that the dept. is being threatened this way: o tempore, o mores. You don't budget and then make cuts...you clearly establish your values based on the 'good' and make the economics work. To quote the late great Johnny Clegg: "You're so lonely. You've got it mixed up. You're looking down below for what lies up above." Contact me to talk about why Classics and the Humanities matter and why Queen's has a particularly valuable asset in Classics."

Prof. Graham S.                 Leicester, UK     

"I write as one who travelled to Kingston in 2006 to speak at the Classics Department and saw the array of talent among staff and students. The constellation of subjects that make up Classics require that tuition in ancient Greek and Latin be available in an adequate number of strong university centres worldwide. Not every university offering Classics needs Greek and Latin, but Classics needs SOME teaching of the languages to the highest level. Queen's is one of those top-level providers on whom the subjects depend. The evidence I've seen suggests that the language modules ARE viable. They must not fall victim to a simplistic arithmetical formula imposed without sensitivity to local circumstances. Without training in languages, who is going to produce the ever better editions of poetry and prose that we continually need? Decipher papyri newly discovered in Egypt? Write the rigorous, innovative studies of ancient literature, philosophy, and history, based on accurate and subtle readings of texts, without which Classics鈥攚ith its pivotal role in Humanities鈥攃annot defend itself, and us, from the malign misuse of the Past that bedevils world politics today, and bring enlightenment about the Past into public discourse, where otherwise there would be darkness and lies?"

Erin G.                  Napanee, Canada           

"I strongly disagree with the decision to make cuts to courses that are so obviously integral to this area of research and to their program.  I'm not sure how else to take this, but it's pretty obvious that they know exactly what they're doing: if they can't cut the Classics and Archaeology Department in one move, they'll do it by cutting it off at the knees as we're seeing here, and then - when Classics says they can't offer their program under these conditions - they'll just cut the entire program, stating that it's "not viable".  The agenda is pretty clear.  This is a small but important (and fiscally responsible) department, and exceptions should absolutely be made in such cases where cuts to course offerings prevent a department from offering their program."

Laura G.               Carleton Place, Canada 

"I have a Classics degree from Queen's and am now a Classics professor at Carleton."

Luisella O.           Birmingham, UK              

"I studied both Latin and Greek to various levels and feel it鈥檚 given a richer understanding of other languages and phrases. It must not become an elitist subject, I taught maths to primary kids using both languages to explain shapes and metric system."